On the old KNOPPIX 5.1, the KNOPPIX file was ~700MB so it would fit on a CD, and KNOPPIX2 took up the rest of the space on the DVD. I think that was why there were two files.
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On the old KNOPPIX 5.1, the KNOPPIX file was ~700MB so it would fit on a CD, and KNOPPIX2 took up the rest of the space on the DVD. I think that was why there were two files.
Hello,
I created a Knoppix 5.3.1 report page:
http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Bugs/5.3.1DVD
Best Regards,
Gilles
PS: it would be good to know how we could help Klaus in proposing bug fixes and/or testing new betas...
Hello,
Please accept my apologies, the Knoppix 5.3.1 Terminal Server does work.
(as suggested by others I had a setup problem)
Thanks,
Gilles
Still I am glad to have the new bug page. And........ I'm glad to hear that it is working.
I like KNOPPIX 5.3.1 on DVD but updating or adding software was a problem.
I updated the "BUG Page" at http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Bugs/5.3.1DVD with my awkward solution.
What is the best way to keep software updated? Do I need to burn DVD every few days?
It's now over a month since the DVD of Knoppix 5.3.1 came out and there is still no CD version available. Does anyone know if Klaus has officially announced that there will be no more CD versions, announced the intention to make a CD version eventually, or has said nothing on the subject? I guess there are Live Linux distros that are better in some ways than Knoppix for Live CD and USB key work, but if it's gone I'll still miss the Knoppx CD. It was a great disc to carry around in my "emergency kit", and CD is still a better choice than DVD for being able to boot on almost any system.
I'm also one of these people checking back every week or so to see when the CD version shows up. But I'm wondering if there is a way to make the CD version from the DVD version. Obviously there is a way to do anything since it's all FOSS but I mean a fairly simple way that was intentionally put into the DVD version for such a purpose. Earlier in this 5.3 news thread there was something about the size of files being broken down into smaller units. Is it possible that there is a CD version bundled within the DVD version that could be extracted fairly easily?
Or has anybody else remastered a CD version off of the 5.3 DVD? I noticed that Kanotix actually did have a fairly recent upgrade which was interesting because it sounded like there wasn't going to be anything else coming out of that project after one of the devs split a few years ago.
Oh yeah, and since I'm here posting on 5.3, let me pose a question to anbody who has played with it. The question is this: In the move from 5.01 to 5.11 there were bunch of changes in the locations of some important files from /usr/init.d/ to /usr/sbin. Does that remain the case in 5.3? Personally I've found FTPing into a 5.11 maching problematic. It works sometimes but not others and if I boot the same machine with 5.01 or earlier I have no problems so it seems like something is buggy about this relocation. Any input on that?
Last week I read a post on the mailing list archives. The poster suggested that Klaus was looking for some suggestions to list the software that should be included on the CD version as opposed to the DVD version.
So it looks hopeful that some kind of KNOPPIX 5.3.X live CD will arrive soon.
I hope so because the CD version is more universal because there are many computers that do not have DVD drives and also 1GB USB thumb drives are much cheaper than 4GB drives.
I'd be happy with a cd that could just boot the dvd.iso. surely that isnt a big ask to those in the know..
You may want to try booting from the iso using grub 4 dos (non invasive boot loader allowing for multi boot) + kernel + customized initrt, cf:Quote:
Originally Posted by hat_monkey
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtop...=117224#117224
I used it every day for the very same reason: I do not have a DVD/CD on my machines and iso boot is much faster as well...
Hope this helps,
Gilles
Yeah! I hope there is a CD version of 5.3.x really soon. I've made an attempt to build a CD version of 5.3.1 but I ran into a few problems. I even posted here on this forum to get some help but at the time of writing this reply, I have not have not gotten any responses. Here the link.
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28839
Jose Torres
GOOD NEWS!
go to following url for a 5.3.1 CD (YES CD!)
it includes some virtual s/w as well...
ftp://ring.aist.go.jp/archives/linux...1-20080519.iso
Thank you soooo much!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by nogg
Here's the official website of that project:
http://www.rcis.aist.go.jp/project/knoppix/
It's in Japanese, so you will probably need to translate with something like Google.
Here's how to make a modified version of the KNOPPIX Japanese Edition ISO that defaults to English:
(Note: run all these commands as root.)
1. Download the CD image knoppix_v5.3.1CD_20080326-20080520-AC.iso from the web site (http://www.rcis.aist.go.jp/project/knoppix/.) A torrent is also available.
2. Mount the ISO, copy the contents, unmount it, and change to read-write.
3. Edit the isolinux.cfg to make the default language "us":Code:mkdir knoppix2
mount -o loop knoppix_v5.3.1CD_20080326-20080520-AC.iso knoppix2
cp -r knoppix2 knoppix
umount knoppix2
rmdir knoppix2
chmod +w -R knoppix
4. Regenerate the md5sums (optional but recommended):Code:perl -pi -e 's/lang=jp/lang=us/g' knoppix/boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg
perl -pi -e 's/lang=ja/lang=us/g' knoppix/boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg
5. Make the ISO image.Code:cd knoppix
find -type f -not -name md5sums -not -name boot.cat -not -name isolinux.bin \
-exec md5sum '{}' \; > KNOPPIX/md5sums
cd ..
6. Burn to a CD and enjoy!Code:genisoimage -pad -l -r -J -v -V "KNOPPIX" -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 \
-boot-info-table -b boot/isolinux/isolinux.bin -c boot/isolinux/boot.cat \
-hide-rr-moved -o knoppix.iso knoppix
Thanks to maybeway36 for showing me how to manipulate the .iso to change the language. The proceedure ran faultlessly.
I have been around Unix-Linux-Knoppix for a long time and never realized that mount could do such wizardry.
Thanks Again,
Don
First off, that isolinux.cfg remaster tip is the fastest tuorial I've seen. Very nice.
But I just want to give me two cents on that iso. I recognize these guys from the "quick boot" version of a few years ago and I used their stuff to play with virtualization. Totally appreciate the work and made a half dozen copies and played with it. Not surprisingly, I found that it was a little bit different than what I'd expect from the official CD.
First off --no Midnight Commander. I don't know what it is with Asian remasters, but they always dump MC. I use a variety of Taiwanese remasters and they never include MC which makes them painful to use for me. Next, of course they have their own grub setup to inclue all the virtualization options. That's cool and it's less of an issue with that short and sweet isolinux.cfg remaster tip since you can set the default to be whatever you want but I'd still prefer to have the official Knoppix grub screens along with the freeDOS boot which I found useful for dealing with troublesome FAT partitions. Also, I found that something weird was going on with the samba. I have to type in IPs to get samba connects. Again, I think that has something to do with the virtualization stuff on that particular iso.
So yeah it's cool. Nice little preview I suppose but not quite the same as a new official Knoppix CD release. It was nice to see that basically not much has changed. I'm wondering if mencoder makes it into the final CD release. I see the ffmpeg is on that Japanese iso and I guess that's what K3B is using for a DVD ripper. Mencoder and transcode would be nice though.
CD version is really a life saver . I think I will be able to continue my project for another year without shifting to any other option.Quote:
Originally Posted by maybeway36
Thanks to the team who has done this work.
yes, I miss MC as well
I just thought I would let everyone know it was available.
Having tried it for a while now, I am sticking with 5.1.1
I thought 5.3.1 would have kde4, but it doesn't so I can't see any other benefit.
I can't imangine running virtualisation from a live cd, and having installed it on a test system,
it always reboots the wrong kernel and setting up vbox is only 1.5.6 and I am using 1.6 elsewhere already.
Nice to see it, to see it nice, but it doesn't do what 5.1.1 does for me already!
May be a CD version from Klaus knopper's team would have been much more useful, but atleast it gives a base to people who are using extensively remastered versions of knoppix. I actually wanted to create a CD from DVD found it a tedious and time taking job.Quote:
Originally Posted by nogg
So as of now something is better than nothing.
There are two CD versions on the site. One has virtualization software on it. The other (which I used) doesn't, but it's bigger, so I suppose it has more apps on it. Try that one if you haven't already.
thanks for that link Gilles. Yes .iso grub boot is preferable but I still Havent found time to wrap my head around the whole long thread. A short conscise summary how to would be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruymbeke
Can someone confirm that the japanese CD will boot the DVD.iso
I just got Knoppix version 5.3.1 DVD running, and I 'm very impressed with the amount of software that comes with it.
Is there a list of the applications included and description of what they do?
Thanks,
Jwilli
Well, yea. It's named packages-dvd.txt and it came with your torrent download. If you didn't download via BitTorrent, shame on you, but I would expect the file to be on the mirrors also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jwilli
So has there been any OFFICIAL word from Klaus that there will NOT be a CD version?
NB: this Knoppix.DVD.iso at over 4 gig will NOT download to or copy to a FAT32 partition no matter how much free space is available on the partition.
ok so above is all that needs to be read from threadQuote:
Hello,
Please find below the link to my first shoot at an updated Knoppix 5.3.1 minirt supporting ISO boot from ntfs, fat, ext, reiser,...
http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/knx531.zip (Md5: 5516434f6c74b3fd3f7cb941de6edd47 *knx531.zip )
For your convenience, the zip file includes: grldr, grub.exe, menu.lst, linux (kernel) and minirt_531.gz.
Please note that as requested by John Woods, I also included the "ntfs_rw" kernel cheatcode
(besides all the previously added cheatcodes as hostname=[mycustomname|auto-clock|auto-mac], ...)
FYI, this is the grub menu.lst config file I used:
Code:
title Knoppix 5.3.1 from sda1 ISO
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.531/linux ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init bootfrom=/dev/hda1/boot/knoppix.531/*.iso vga=791 noprompt apm=power-off nomce quiet lang=us dma screen=1024x768 hostname=knx531 highres=off loglevel=0 libata.atapi_enabled=1 SELINUX_INIT=NO nmi_watchdog=0 ntfs_rw
initrd (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.531/minirt_531.gz
boot
Have fun and please provide some feedback !
Best Regards,
Gilles
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtop...=117224#117224 .
posted from knoppix5.3.1. running on USB grub booted from knoppix5.3.1DVD.iso.
gracious.
when can i get hold of knoppix 5.3 CD VERSION?
it seems as though the CD version is getting dropped? not seen one since 5.1 - what is happening?
The idea that there is a team working on Knoppix is my sole criticism w/ this master tech: I think this great project is a one-man show, hence the long break bet releases. So you get whatever you get, whenever it appears. Knopper obviously has huge tech skills and vision, but really needs to find a modest team and delegate some of work to others....Quote:
Originally Posted by nalini
On my computer at least, if in the menu.lst of grub you change vga=791 to vga=785 you will no longer be told that you have passed a invalid code during the boot process every time you boot up.Quote:
Hello,
Please find below the link to my first shoot at an updated Knoppix 5.3.1 minirt supporting ISO boot from ntfs, fat, ext, reiser,...
http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/knx531.zip (Md5: 5516434f6c74b3fd3f7cb941de6edd47 *knx531.zip )
For your convenience, the zip file includes: grldr, grub.exe, menu.lst, linux (kernel) and minirt_531.gz.
Please note that as requested by John Woods, I also included the "ntfs_rw" kernel cheatcode
(besides all the previously added cheatcodes as hostname=[mycustomname|auto-clock|auto-mac], ...)
FYI, this is the grub menu.lst config file I used:
Code:
title Knoppix 5.3.1 from sda1 ISO
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.531/linux ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init bootfrom=/dev/hda1/boot/knoppix.531/*.iso vga=791 noprompt apm=power-off nomce quiet lang=us dma screen=1024x768 hostname=knx531 highres=off loglevel=0 libata.atapi_enabled=1 SELINUX_INIT=NO nmi_watchdog=0 ntfs_rw
initrd (hd0,0)/boot/knoppix.531/minirt_531.gz
boot
Have fun and please provide some feedback !
Best Regards,
Gilles
I had to use the following command to make it work: (The isolinux.cfg had 'ja' at the language code, not 'jp')Quote:
Originally Posted by maybeway36
Anyway, if anyone wants to save the time of making the change yourself, here's a link to the patched ISO (Knoppix 5.3 CD version, file size 733239296 bytes) that I made using mabeway36's instructions:Code:perl -pi -e 's/lang=ja/lang=us/g' knoppix/boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg
http://www2.maiman.net/knoppix
I don't have the bandwidth to host the ISO for a large number of downloads, so it's in torrent format.
Regarding the official Knoppix 5.3.1 live CD version. I believe Klauss may release one at one point but I believe he's hard at work concentrating working on the next version of Knoppix and he's leaving it up to us to create Live CD's for each other.
We can thank an earlier chap for creating one for us so we can all have a look. :D
Maybe someone can shed some light on this. Is 5.3.1 better than 5.1.1? I've been hearing people migrating back to work with 5.1.1 :shock: Confuses me on which one people should begin with.
Any opinions?
I've got 5.1.1 on CD and 5.3.1 on DVD (the official version in both cases). They are not really comparable because the DVD version offers so much more than the CD version, but I find that both work excellently. The DVD version has a couple of things that I need that the CD version lacks, including gnuplot and gcc, so during sessions that I need them, I use the DVD. From a purely physical point of view, the DVD sometimes fails to boot on my work machine (maybe 2/10 of occasions) whereas it always boots successfully at home (being the machine on which the DVD was created, as it happens). I think the engineering tolerances are so fine because of the amount squeezed into the DVD, that the reader simply fails sometimes. I think it's this kind of failure that causes some users to throw their arms into the air, panic and revert. (Why is this? If their car fails to start, do people throw it away or go and buy the old one back? People seem to have expectations of software and hardware that would be obviously unrealistc in any other context.) I do not regard either version as "better" than the other, it's just that one of them is bigger. They are both staggeringly good!
Fergus
DVDs can hold a lot of data, even the single layer ones that you would use for Knoppix. (Clearly this is not an issue about how much Knoppix packs on specifically, as it packs the data at the same density as any other program would, even if you wrote Puppy Linux to a DVD the spiral would be the same spacing it is with Knoppix). Yea, there do seem to be a lot of slight tolerance issues. These are inflated greatly by doing a burn at high speed. DVD media is also am issue, I have some media that gives me a lot of bad burns when I do everything correct and burn at low speed, other brands that give me much better results. Brand name or paying a lot is no assurance of media quality. I do all of my DVD burns at 4x. Yea, i could do them faster at higher speeds, all of my burners (except maybe the one in my notebook) are rated a lot faster, and all of my media is rated at at least 8x, but doing so leads to problems. Unfortunately, while I have found that the slower I do a CD burn the better quality it is, I have seen some issues on DVD burns when I go at speeds below 4x, so for me all DVD burns (on non-rewritable media) are done at 4x). If you burned at a faster speed I suggest that you try burning another disc at low speed and see if it doesn't boot more reliably on your work system. Other things to try are different media and even burning the DVD at low speed at work. There are some problems booting the Knoppix DVD that seem to be BIOS related, which are understandably extremely frustrating for new users, but your problem does indeed seem to be one of micro tolerances or even dust or oil on optics, and there is a good chance that you could resolve it, particularly if your original burn was at a speed greater than 4x.Quote:
Originally Posted by fergus
Grub booting the DVD.iso from/on/in a Usb stick has none of these DVD issue problems and there is no need to revert for any reason. However i do use puppy if i need Wifi.
I found 5.1.1 very stable if you avoid a few gotchas (ran 6mo w/o reboot).Quote:
Maybe someone can shed some light on this. Is 5.3.1 better than 5.1.1? I've been hearing people migrating back to work with 5.1.1 :shock: Confuses me on which one people should begin with.
Any opinions?
OTOH 5.3.1 has already taken a dive twice (on a P2 and on a Xeon HT with ECC RAM)
when KDE 3.5.9 (or X?) got stuck during alt-tab and I had to ctrl-alt-backspace out of X losing
all open work.
KDE 3.5.9 printing has died twice (OO would still print, but not kwrite)
KDE 3.5.9 got stuck changing themes and would no longer start konqueror.
5.1.1 was not perfect - OpenOffice killed KDE (X?) frequently, so one would have to upgrade that.
Kalarm often crashed KDE (but the maintainer has a fixed version).
Dragging tabs in Firefox crashed KDE (hardlocked once dragging to 2nd window IIRC) in 5.1.1
5.1.1's LVM died when an external USB drive w LVM2 did a random disconnect -
my other external HD's LVMs all got disconnected too! LVM froze!
but 5.3.1 is still changing external HD path (sda1->sdb1, sda2->sdb2) on momentary disconnects, so that is not fixed yet. (USB drops for split second, even with 2 head usb cable, usually during an rsync backup.)
This has happened repeatably with 3 drives on 3 machines - not rare on 5.1.1 or 5.3.1. Flash drives & HD's.
All 3 drives had already passed mke2fs -cc torture tests w no disconnect on plain USB cables.
5.1.1 will not make a useable persistent image file - apt will fail early and often.
(5.3.1 puts lots of copies of the .wh. tree on the image - make the image file twice the size you need)
5.1.1 seems to leak memory, so use a 4G swap if you don't reboot often.
It fragments RAM, so you need at least 750M ram if you don't reboot often.
5.1.1 has many security patches to do for kernel & X - not easy.
Making a new custom minirt.gz for 5.1.1 is easy.
I have 20+ failed minirt.gz for 5.3.1, zero working - even just touch a file and it won't load.
(I did a chroot, followed the howto's etc.)
If etch-backports has what you need, and you don't need support for new hardware, 5.1.1 can be good.
I feel stuck with too many packages too many versions back.
5.3.1 is not trouble-free in this regard - some updates drag in 30+ other updates unless you
guess the right sequence to apt-get
Which to use? I guess it depends on your needs.
Charles
Having problems to have my sata HDD in a MD8818 seen, I wanted to try the latest 5.3.1 CD to see if support is added now.
All I seem to find as official release is the DVD, which is too huge at this stage.
Through search I found an announcement of a 5.3.1 CD, but it's not clear if it is an official piec of work.
In any case, the link to this release either give time outs or I get always a message that the max allowed users (50) is reached.
Is there another place to download this 5.3.1.CD?
Thanks for the tip. I fixed my post so now it tells users to run both jp and ja commands (it can't hurt.)Quote:
Originally Posted by amaiman
Hello,
It looks like that the Knoppix 5.3.1 /etc/init.d/knoppix-autoconfig cannot find a knoppix.sh
script to run at boot time when using myconf=scan as a kernel cheat code.
Please find below a link of a patch proposal allowing me to merge at boot time
the VmWare 6.5.0 tools with the Knoppix 5.3.1 or Knoppix 5.1.1 iso, cf:
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11796
--> http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/...autoconfig.zip <--
Best Regards,
Gilles
Short answer is no. Klaus has not made the CD version for 5.3.1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Béèm