Klaus Knopper Requests Your Feedback - please take this poll

[Werner P. Schulz]

... yes, I only used the package size from aptitude.

But now, I tested it extensive:
purge xulrunner
http://www.wp-schulz.de/grafiken/xulrunner.PNG
and remaster Knoppix

purge chromium
http://www.wp-schulz.de/grafiken/chromium.PNG
install iceweasel
http://www.wp-schulz.de/grafiken/iceweasel.PNG
and remaster Knoppix

The result: the remastered ISO with Chromium is 22880K bigger than the remastered ISO with Iceweasel.


Greetings Werner * http://www.wp-schulz.de/knoppix/summary.html
Own Rescue-CD with Knoppix (Knoppix V6.7.0 remaster)

[utu]

Werner,

What answer do you get when you reverse this process?

[Werner P. Schulz]

... I can purge Iceweasel without any problems. But if I try to reinstall Chromium, I get a large list of version conflicts an violated dependencies.

[utu]

Thanks, Werner.

FWIW, for the CD-size 2 Gb LiveUSB, with no re-mastering, just Synaptic:

Size of free in /home/knoppix at first............................................. .....................598.2 Mb
Size of free in /home/knoppix after .addition. of IceWeasel using Synaptic...590.8 Mb
Size of free in /Home/knoppix after 'deletion' of Chromium. using Synaptic..555.7 Mb
Size of free in /Home/knoppix after .addition, of Ad Block + and Subscr........505.6 Mb

Chromium, in this case, remains a part of the KNOPPIX compressed file.
It would be a LOT cheaper in Mbs just to keep the Chromium if you can't re-master.
Moreover, re-installing Chromium at this point doesn't seem to be an option using
...Synaptic because of 'uninstallable' broken dependencies

[Butterfly]

Saw the announcement about this poll over at debian-knoppix so will "byte", in particular because I had just seen Chromium and Knoppix mentioned in the same breath recently..

In attempting to upgrade Iceweasel off of a tiny bit outdated Knoppix version last year (due to a compatibility issue with one domain registrar), I discovered Icecat.. STILL having compatibility issues with same said registrar, BUT *I LOVE ICECAT* otherwise.. As much as anything I think it is because they profess to try to be as purely "free" as possible..

Have tried some of the others like Opera and Seamonkey.. Opera and Seamonkey are "neat" in each their own way because of the bells and whistles their respective communities have developed.. Icecat (installed locally while running off live DVD), though, has and likely will keep my loyalty at this point because of the "free" aspect along with a *cognitive* usability/accessibility factor which is its simpleness..

*Thank you* for asking us.. Warmest wishes from North Georgia..

PS.. For what it's worth, Konqueror is my fallback Choice when I have that now RARE "compatibility" issue with any websites..

[Forester]

... I can purge Iceweasel without any problems. But if I try to reinstall Chromium, I get a large list of version conflicts an violated dependencies.

Yep. If you try:

sudo apt-get --dry-run upgrade

That will tell you which packages are out of date and which would be 'held back' if you try to upgrade. If you delete, directly or indirectly, any package listed as 'held back', it won't reinstall.

Chromium is 'held back'. So are parts of LibreOffice.

This will get worse over time until Knoppix catches up with a new release.

Some might argue this is a reason for preferring packages from back port repositories over packages from unstable or experimental repositories.

[utu]

An addendum to post #14 for intrepid rm * users:

Size of free in /Home/knoppix after hand-deletion of chromium-related entries in KNOPPIX-DATA.....542.8 Mb

But remember, even so, it's still a zombie in the KNOPPIX compressed file.

[Gonzalo_VC]

I've been using Mozilla's navigators since "before" they become that, in fact (remember how Netscape was better that "the other" browser?). I think Chromium is not that faster and lighter when compared to Firefox. Besides, the toolbars are better in Firefox. So: I'll go for Firefox without looking back.
But if you are thinking lighter, we should consider Seamonkey, Midori or something else, also.

[ericpalmer]

- it is not accessible for blind people with orca.
This is really bad, especially for the ADRIANE
CD version where Firefox previously provided a
good way for browsing graphically and having
speech output+braille. I realized this only after the
6.7.0 release of Knoppix.

This is a big deal. While I use Chromium and like it. I did not know that. Important if you are setting up a system for a company and their HR department or similar policy states that the company must address these things like sight-challenged workers. So for that, I put my vote in for Firefox/Iceweasel.

[fatmac]

I feel it is important that the browser on the CD is 'mainstream' &, considering KK's wife is blind, that it is usable by the blind, as this is one of his motivations to keep on working on Knoppix Live Linux.

Most people can use the DVD, so there will always be choice there.

Personally, I like minimalist systems, to the point of using VT's a lot, with the likes of mc, herrie, SC, screen, sqlite, fbi, etc. But when I want the web lynx doesn't cut it for me.

The only thing I would like to see, is a down loadable usb version, so that I can just dd it; & fdisk, format the rest of the drive for personal files.