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    Recapitulation

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    This is not to take away from heretofore 'standard' re-mastering procedure(s) but to
    highlight a subtle refinement in using Knoppix that accomplishes much of what one hopes to
    achieve by re-mastering, or making backups of some kind. This alternative is elegant
    in minimizing the resources required in re-mastering, including time.
    I'm re-wording here to collapse into one post what previously spread over several posts.

    Assuming for example that KNOPPIX1 was the previous compressed image update,
    to stack another compressed image update with the previous, use the following magic incantation:

    cd /
    sudo mkisofs -R -U KNOPPIX-DATA | create_compressed_fs -B 131072 -m - - > /mnt-system/KNOPPIX/KNOPPIX2

    Then reboot, using 'knoppix noimage' or to see if it all works like it did using the previous
    persistence file.

    If so, move knoppix-data.img from /mnt-system/KNOPPIX/ to /mnt-system/ temporarily and reboot,
    this time without the 'noimage' cheatcode. This should allow you to re-establish persistence.
    Then, re-verify that KNOPPIX2 is doing what if ought. When you are sure KNOPPIX2 and persistence
    are ok, remove the 'old' knoppix-data.img in /mnt-system/, not the 'new' one in /mnt-system/KNOPPIX/.

    You may use PCManFM to move things around, but don't count on PCManFM to remove things;
    use root and rm to remove files.
    init's mountunion() looks like you may have up to ten such upgrades, if you have enough space
    on your LiveUSB

    Recapitulation: We can have a full-DVD-size LiveUSB on an 8 Gb Class 10 SDHC device. This device
    may be serially updated with compressed image additions without requiring any additional workspace;
    without requiring any additional system, real or virtual, to manage this process; and without
    any significant time expenditure for these performing these updates.
    The convenience of temporary persistence may be maintained, while greatly reducing the magnitude
    of the hazard in occasional inadvertent ruination of this 'persistent' image, since these
    successive updates preserve well-tested material in more safely situated in more permanent
    compressed images.
    Last edited by utu; 06-20-2012 at 02:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by utu View Post
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    Recapitulation: We can have a full-DVD-size LiveUSB on an 8 Gb Class 10 SDHC device. This device
    may be serially updated with compressed image additions without requiring any additional workspace;
    without requiring any additional system, real or virtual, to manage this process; and without
    any significant time expenditure for these performing these updates.
    The convenience of temporary persistence may be maintained, while greatly reducing the magnitude
    of the hazard in occasional inadvertent ruination of this 'persistent' image, since these
    successive updates preserve well-tested material in more safely situated in more permanent
    compressed images.
    For more heavy installs. I will strongly recommend using a 16 GB stick, for in this scheme nothing is ever purged, which means, for example, that you will get several instances of the apt data, essentially one on each KNOPPIX[N] image. In my own use case, I have by now purged about 2GB of programs/data, and added about 3 GB on 7.0.2. Of course, this is "real world" use of Knoppix, and most users might do less, but if I had used this method, I would have had about 6GB total in cloop images by now, and I advise people to be defensive with regard to the space overhead of different copy/compress/backup methods.

    It does not go on indefinitely, for the vast majority of uses, 16GB media will be enough. I have also experimented with >4GB persistent image, for example using several (uncompressed) image files, but I think an adaptation of the method presented here is better in most cases.
    I think this is also a nice illustration of what I have come to think is the basic rule of remastering: If you don't know exactly why you need it, and why the alternatives are indequate, don't do it.

    I'd like to mention one way this can bu used for (sort of) incremental backups: If you call the KNOPPIX[1|2|3...] images something else, for example knoppix-20120620.cloop, and store it at your backup location, while you continue to use the same knoppix-data.img at next boot, instead of forcing creation of a new image, you may cloop-mount this image and recreate the knoppix-data.img of that day from it. They may of course grow ever larger, but if you purge your persistent image, they may also shrink.

    Myself, I make tarballs (.tgz files) of the knoppix-data.img for backups, but this way, I don't have the chance to start afresh with the persistent image without remastering - like I can if I decide to use the cloop backup as KNOPPIX1 and start a new .img file. I should add that I don't use the persistent store for much data - they are stored on a volume mounted on /store in my setup, and this volume is stable across OS versions and backed up separately. Some of it dates back to Slackware days of 1995..
    Last edited by Capricorny; 06-20-2012 at 09:42 PM.

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